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Bits and Pieces

The vast majority of silver circulating in China consisted of crown-sized silver dollars—most often Mexican 8 reales. When you needed change, you might not have access to anything smaller than a dollar, so you simply made it yourself. Dollars were often cut into halves, quarters, or eighths, with each piece passing by weight instead of any official face value. This practical solution fit neatly with China’s long tradition of valuing silver by weight, and it echoes the Western idea of the “piece of eight,” where one-eighth of a dollar became known as a “bit.” Long before modern small change was common, broken silver filled that role in daily trade. All of these coins happen to have chopmarks, but the presence of chopmarks wasn't necessarily a requirement for cut coin fragments.

"2 Reales fragment", cut from 1758-L JM Peru 8 Reales, Ferdinand VI type

"2 Reales fragment", cut from 1758-L JM Peru 8 Reales, Ferdinand VI type

Specifications:
approx. 6.77 g, .917 fine silver, .199 troy oz (actual silver weight)

Details:
The practice of cutting 8 reales into fractional pieces was common in regions where small change was scarce, and a quartered piece circulating as 2 reales reflects a practical solution to a familiar problem of the time.

The Chinese chopmarks show that the coin circulated within Chinese or China-facing trade networks, tying it to the commercial systems of Southeast Asia and southern China. Their presence confirms that the piece, whether still whole or already cut, was accepted for use within those markets and moved beyond purely local circulation. The original host coin is surprisingly identifiable, being the only quarter segment showing enough of the date, mint mark, monarch, and assayer to permit a unique attribution.

Its reported recovery from the Musi River near Fort Kuto Besak situates the piece within the Dutch East Indies trade sphere, a major conduit for Spanish American silver moving between the Indian Ocean and the South China Sea. Palembang was a significant regional port connected to VOC commerce and Chinese merchant communities, making it a plausible waypoint for silver that had already been fractioned and accepted in trade. As a cut, chopmarked Lima coin recovered in this context, it stands as a tangible record of global silver movement, from Peru to Southeast Asia, through Chinese validation, and into localized monetary use.

Fort Kuto Besak, constructed beginning in 1780 and inaugurated in 1797, was the seat of the Palembang Darussalam Sultanate in its final decades before the Dutch annexed the city in 1821. Strategically positioned on a river-bounded island formed by the Musi, Sekanak, Kapuran, and Tengkuruk rivers, the fort controlled access to Palembang's inland and maritime trade routes and later served as a Dutch administrative post, placing it within the VOC commercial network that handled large quantities of Spanish American silver. This setting provides credible historical context for the coin's presence in the Musi River.

Notable chopmarks:

天 - tiān - heaven, sky, day 天 - tiān - heaven, sky, day

Provenance:
Purchased on eBay in February 2015 from a seller in India.

Silver fragment, cut from 1772-1833 Spanish 4 Reales

Silver fragment, cut from 1772-1833 Spanish 4 Reales

Specifications:
0.896 fine silver, 2.64 g measured weight

Details:
This silver fragment was cut from a Spanish 4 reales of the 1772-1833 portrait period. At 2.64 grams it falls around the expected range for a one-tenth dollar equivalent. Attribution to the parent coin type is helped by observing the milled edge, characteristic of Spanish portrait-period reales which along with the weight allows confident identification of the host denomination.

Notable chopmarks:

合 - hé - combine, join, close, suit 合 - hé - combine, join, close, suit

天 - tiān - heaven, sky, day 天 - tiān - heaven, sky, day

Provenance:
From Ben Dalgleish, a collector who finds chopmarked coins in the coin markets of Hong Kong, March 2020

Approx. "2 Reales" fragment, cut from Cap & Rays 8 Reales

Approx. "2 Reales" fragment, cut from Cap & Rays 8 Reales

Specifications:
approx. 6.25 g, .903 fine silver

Details:
Neat little fragment, cut from a Cap & Rays 8 Reales from Mexico. Looks as though the assayer initials end with ‘B’, so we could probably narrow it down to a couple mints - as to origin.

Minor coins, smaller than crown/8 reales sized, were often scarce, so the locals would improvise by cutting the larger crown sized coins into pieces, usually 1/4ths. Essentially this is like a 2 reales.

This one looks to have been chopmarked prior to the whole coin being cut.

Notable chopmarks:

言 - yán - to say, speak, discuss, comment 言 - yán - to say, speak, discuss, comment

Provenance:
From fellow collector Ed Murphy, who compiled one of the broadest and most complete chopmark collections of all time, March 2020.

1884-Mo MH Mexico "7 Reales", 1/8th cutout removed from 8 Reales coin

1884-Mo MH Mexico "7 Reales", 1/8th cutout removed from 8 Reales coin

Specifications:
27.07 g, .903 fine silver, .786 troy oz (actual silver weight)
Recorded mintage: Unknown
Catalog reference: KM 377.10

Details:
This 1884 Mexico City 8 Reales has had a pie-shaped eighth removed, leaving the remaining seven-eighths with the date and assayer marks still intact and legible. It is unclear whether someone needed change just less than a dollar, or if the 1/8th piece was needed, but either way this is another good example of how change was made, and also displays how haphazardly chopping out pieces caused large cracks across the remaining coin.

Provenance:
Purchased on eBay in September 2024 from a seller who sources coins directly from China

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